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No. 10242 ID: d5be46
  Mama mia!

Were those suits real/in use during WWI? If so, what were they called? Were they in use by other nations?
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>> No. 10243 ID: 00a13e
  Some steel curiass (breastplates) and reinforced helmets were issued to snipers, sentries, machine-gun crew, and trench raiders in the Great War, but they were just not effective against rifle bullets. You need something like really hard steel that's around a half inch thick to keep small arms fire from penetrating.

Steel Eating ( Rifle rounds vs steel)
http://youtu.be/dx_SfG34Jpo
Shooting the AR-15, the M1-A, & the SKS at thick steel: a close-up perspective. Shots were taken from behind a large tree at approximately 40 yards.
Guns used: Russian SKS, Colt AR-15 A2, Springfield M1-A
Disclaimer: Lots of discussion about 5.56 vs .223 and 7.62 X 51 vs .308. The guns you see me use in this video will fire either one safely, so no issue for me. Never HAS been. Be sure you do your research and shoot what your guns will handle.
I have to explain this about once a week, it seems; most people have limited experience shooting 7.62X39 rounds at steel, which is understandable, of course. :-)

I've shot both hollow point and FMJ 7.62X39 at soft steel for many years. The FMJ and the hollow point have pretty much the exact same effect on it. HPs are not exactly designed to expand in steel. :-)
>> No. 10244 ID: 00a13e
File 139655163123.jpg - (78.91KB , 600x450 , French WW1 armor after testing.jpg )
10244
French WW1 experimental armor after testing.

Anyone who has fired at iron targets (boilerplate, lawn mowers, refrigerators, old stoves, etc.) knows how rifle rounds will pierce through. Especially WW1 rifles like Lee-Enfields, Mausers, Springfields, etc. But pistol bullets have much less penetration. Some steel helmets will deflect pistol bullets where a .30-06, .303, or 8mm Mauser will lance right through.
>> No. 10245 ID: 00a13e
File 139655211279.jpg - (92.10KB , 650x768 , French WW1 infantry shield, experimental infantry .jpg )
10245
French WW1 infantry shield, an experimental infantry armor device, was not adopted for general issue.
Sort of like an armored wheelbarrow that was rolled in front of the sharpshooter. When he got fired at, he nosed down the front, hid behind the armored box, poking his rifle out a slit in the front and sniped at the enemy.

Other armies used a thick gun shield that rested on the ground at an angle, but these things still weighed a lot and offered little protection, and the commanders thought they discouraged charges and movement.
>> No. 10246 ID: 00a13e
File 13965523666.jpg - (712.23KB , 1267x2436 , CC armor cuirass Australian Ned Kelly's Ploug.jpg )
10246
>>10242
That armor reminded me of Ned Kelly's Ploughboard Ballistic Suit.
Simple ballistic armor was sometimes constructed by criminals. During the 1880s, a gang of Australian bushrangers led by Ned Kelly made basic armour from plough blades. By this time the Victorian Government had a reward for the capture of a member of the Kelly Gang at £8,000 (equivalent to $2 million Australian dollars in 2005). One of the stated aims of Kelly was the establishment of a Republic in North East Victoria. Each of the four Kelly gang members had fought a siege at a hotel clad in suits of armour made from the mouldboards of ploughs. The maker's stamp (Lennon Number 2 Type) was found inside several of the plates. The men used the armour to cover their torsos, upper arms, and upper legs, and was worn with a helmet.
The suits were roughly made on a creek bed using a makeshift forge and a stringy-bark log as a muffled anvil. They had a mass of around 44 kg (96 lb), making the wearer a spectacular sight yet proved too unwieldy during a police raid at Glenrowan. Their armour deflected many hits with none penetrating, but eventually was of no use as the suits lacked protection for the legs and hands. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletproof_vest
>> No. 10247 ID: 00a13e
File 139655264146.jpg - (38.62KB , 351x248 , Russian WW2 troops armored steel breastplate SN-42.jpg )
10247
The Soviet Armed Forces used several types of body armor, including the SN-42 ("Stalnoi Nagrudnik" is Russian for "steel breastplate", and the number denotes the design year). All were tested, but only the SN-42 was put in production. It consisted of two pressed steel plates that protected the front torso and groin. The plates were 2 mm thick and weighed 3.5 kg (7.7 lb). This armor was supplied to SHISBr (assault engineers) and to Tankodesantniki (infantry that rode on tanks) of some tank brigades. The SN armor protected wearers from 9 mm bullets fired by an MP 40 at around 100 meters, which made it useful in urban battles such as the Battle of Stalingrad. However, the SN's weight made it impractical for infantry in the open.

- Soviet steel breastplate SN-42. Armor = 2mm. Weight = 3.5 kg
>> No. 10248 ID: 00a13e
File 139655272088.jpg - (56.32KB , 479x305 , Russian WW2 troops armored SHISBr specialist assua.jpg )
10248
Soviet WW2 armored SHISBr specialist assault engineer with AT mines, 1944.
>> No. 10249 ID: 00a13e
File 139655279394.jpg - (65.06KB , 576x598 , Russian WW2 troops armored SHISBr assault engineer.jpg )
10249
Better photo of Soviet WW2 armored SHISBr assault engineer with PPSh-41 SMG & flame thrower, 1943.
>> No. 10250 ID: 00a13e
File 139655284825.jpg - (35.93KB , 482x313 , Russian WW2 troops armored (SHISBr) specialist ass.jpg )
10250
>> No. 10251 ID: 00a13e
File 139655288158.jpg - (135.97KB , 953x680 , Russian WW2 troops armored (SHISBr) specialist ass.jpg )
10251
>> No. 10252 ID: 00a13e
File 139655325242.jpg - (932.86KB , 946x1374 , German WW1 armor 'Infanterie-Panzer, 1918.jpg )
10252
German WW1 'Infanterie-Panzer, 1918' sentry armor & Stirnpanzer helmet attachment.
The "lobster armor" had pads of felt or cloth to keep the plates from making noise.
The helmet armor reinforcement caught on. It attached to the Frankenstein's Monster air vent plugs on the helmet and a strap held it in place.
>> No. 10253 ID: 00a13e
File 139655327358.jpg - (3.16MB , 3072x2304 , German WW1 armor cuirasses & helmet pieces.jpg )
10253
>> No. 10254 ID: 00a13e
File 139655332474.jpg - (238.99KB , 1194x2235 , German WW1 armor frontal plate & helmet 1916.jpg )
10254
Nipple-bolts?
>> No. 10255 ID: 00a13e
File 139655337645.jpg - (183.65KB , 1280x960 , German WW1 armor helmet plate (Stirnpanzer) Stahlh.jpg )
10255
German WW1 armored helmet plate (Stirnpanzer) Stahlhelm attachment.
>> No. 10256 ID: 00a13e
File 139655340516.jpg - (236.37KB , 1024x768 , German WW1 armor helmet plate (Stirnpanzer) Stahlh.jpg )
10256
>> No. 10257 ID: 00a13e
File 139655352136.jpg - (80.61KB , 687x867 , German WW1 armor sniper's mask right cheek is.jpg )
10257
German WW1 sniper's armored mask, right cheek is exposed to weld on the rifle for aiming.
>> No. 10258 ID: 00a13e
File 139655354691.jpg - (347.95KB , 1338x2000 , German WW1 armor 'Infanterie-Panzer, 1918.jpg )
10258
>> No. 10259 ID: 00a13e
File 139655358316.jpg - (135.19KB , 768x1024 , German WW1 armor 'Infanterie-Panzer, 1918.jpg )
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>> No. 10260 ID: 00a13e
File 139655372658.jpg - (167.95KB , 768x1024 , German WW1 armor 'Infanterie-Panzer, 1918.jpg )
10260
>> No. 10261 ID: 00a13e
File 139655374972.jpg - (103.05KB , 1193x696 , German WW1 armor 'Infanterie-Panzer, 1918.jpg )
10261
>> No. 10262 ID: 00a13e
File 139655386791.jpg - (429.26KB , 1536x1015 , German WW1 armor 'Infanterie-Panzer, 1918.jpg )
10262
>> No. 10263 ID: 00a13e
File 139655397373.jpg - (278.53KB , 848x1500 , German WW1 armor 'Infanterie-Panzer, 1918.jpg )
10263
>> No. 10264 ID: 00a13e
File 139655399633.jpg - (246.12KB , 1064x1864 , German WW1 armor 'Infanterie-Panzer, 1918.jpg )
10264
>> No. 10265 ID: 00a13e
File 139655400924.jpg - (514.57KB , 1680x1050 , German WW1 armor 'Infanterie-Panzer, 1918.jpg )
10265
>> No. 10266 ID: 00a13e
File 139655413455.jpg - (142.49KB , 814x1024 , German WW1 armor Infanterie-Panzer UK Chemico &.jpg )
10266
German WW1 'Infanterie-Panzer', British 'Chemico' & French 'Lanciers' armor.
>> No. 10267 ID: 00a13e
File 139655423250.jpg - (24.56KB , 442x245 , German WW1 armor trench shield.jpg )
10267
German WW1 armored trench shield.
>> No. 10268 ID: 00a13e
File 139655430987.jpg - (99.58KB , 1024x780 , German WW1 Maxim machine-gun trench armor.jpg )
10268
German WW1 Maxim machine-gun trench armor.
>> No. 10269 ID: 00a13e
File 139655446799.jpg - (383.16KB , 1800x1350 , German WW1 MG-08 with armor and armored machine gu.jpg )
10269
German WW1 machine-gunner with Stahlhelm, armored cuirass and Maxim (MG-08) gun armor.
>> No. 10270 ID: 00a13e
File 139655456851.jpg - (113.29KB , 798x744 , German WW1 MG-08 1909 Spandau with armor.jpg )
10270
German WW1 MG-08 1909 Spandau machine-gun with armor.
>> No. 10271 ID: 00a13e
File 139655460855.jpg - (533.94KB , 1136x852 , German WW1 MG-08 with armor by DWM Berlin, Arsenal.jpg )
10271
German WW1 MG-08 with armor by DWM Berlin, Arsenal Spandau.
>> No. 10272 ID: 00a13e
File 139655479477.jpg - (57.89KB , 819x675 , German WW1 armored trooper (sappenpanzer) trench a.jpg )
10272
German WW1 armored trooper (sappenpanzer) with trench armor and an 08-15 "light" machine-gun.
For a trench raider, he's got a lot of heavy gear.
>> No. 10273 ID: 00a13e
File 139655494613.jpg - (397.16KB , 1800x1350 , German WW1 MG-08 with armored machine gunner.jpg )
10273
A much larger gun shield.
These made better sense since trench warfare was static and you really want to protect your heavy machine-guns.
>> No. 10274 ID: 00a13e
File 13965550076.jpg - (226.25KB , 950x1267 , Italian WW1 armored infantry.jpg )
10274
Italian WW1 armored infantry.
>> No. 10275 ID: 00a13e
File 139655507745.jpg - (58.33KB , 553x600 , Japan WW2 troops armored infantry.jpg )
10275
Japanese armored infantry.
Perhaps in China in the '30s?
>> No. 10276 ID: 00a13e
File 139655519248.jpg - (57.20KB , 500x494 , Japan WW2 armor, 2 types.jpg )
10276
Japan WW2 armor, 2 types.
>> No. 10277 ID: 00a13e
File 139655532685.jpg - (36.65KB , 640x393 , Japan WW2 armor vest 9 pounds, thickness of plates.jpg )
10277
Japanese bulletproof vest made from olive-green drill cloth, with 3 pockets on each side to accommodate armor plates arranged in fish-scale fashion. Characteristics are as follows:
Weight complete - 9 pounds. Thickness of plates - 0.08 inch. Plate overlap - 0.05 inch.
It is believed that the weight of this vest would preclude its general use by infantry and probably would tend to confine its use to special troops. Tests have shown that the plates are penetrated easily by .303 ball ammunition at 100 yards range, with a 30° angle of impact from normal. Figure 294 from the Handbook On Japanese Military Forces.
Date: 1 October 1944
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/Japan/IJA/HB/HB-10.html
>> No. 10278 ID: 00a13e
File 139655571643.jpg - (379.81KB , 1365x2842 , US armor USMC Turret Gunner 'Quadard IV'.jpg )
10278
Mannequin of a USMC Turret Gunner wearing the OTV and an additional ballistic protection called "Quadard IV". This kind of protection was usualy worn by USMC turret gunners in Iraq (around 2004-2008. to protect them against small arms fire and fragmentations during convoys.
>> No. 10279 ID: 00a13e
File 139655579576.jpg - (1.33MB , 1500x2250 , US armor Military Working Dog (MWD) in body armor.jpg )
10279
Pearl Harbor, Hawaii (Mar. 29, 2004) - Master-at-Arms 3rd Class Eliot Fiaschi dresses “Arpi”, a German Shepard Military Working Dog (MWD) in body armor prior to a demonstration at a local Boys and Girls Club. Petty Officer Fiaschi and Arpi are one of five MWD teams assigned to Naval Station Pearl Harbor Security used for bomb or narcotics detection and various security patrols.
>> No. 10280 ID: 00a13e
File 139655589985.jpg - (233.63KB , 1077x1073 , US armor dog wearing a 'K9 Storm' armor .jpg )
10280
Working dog wearing a "K9 Storm" bullet proof vest in Afghanistan, receives training.
>> No. 10281 ID: 00a13e
File 139655604596.jpg - (203.51KB , 1085x1608 , US armor dog wearing a 'K9 Storm' armor .jpg )
10281
Army Sgt. 1st Class Erika Gordon, kennel master for the 25th Military Police Company, uses a building for cover while her military working dog, Hanna wearing "K9 Storm" body armor, clears a doorway at the military-operations-in-urban-terrain training site at Bagram Air Base, Afghanistan.
Date: 25 February 2005
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=25801
>> No. 10282 ID: 00a13e
File 139655626395.jpg - (235.03KB , 500x587 , US WW2 Armor Vest M12 (T64) aluminum plates in a c.jpg )
10282
WW2 saw the adoption of aircrew "flak jackets".

- US WW2 Armor Vest M12 (T64) - aluminum plates in a canvas vest, 12 lbs.
>> No. 10283 ID: 00a13e
File 139655651771.jpg - (52.57KB , 800x800 , UK WW1 armor 1.jpg )
10283
This is not a medieval Japanese ashigaru armored cuirass, but a WW1 British armored vest.
>> No. 10284 ID: 00a13e
File 139655677531.jpg - (86.09KB , 285x500 , UK WW1 armored breastplate & silk necklet mode.jpg )
10284
UK WW1 armored breastplate & silk necklet model 1918.

Discovered layers of fabric could absorb bullets and shell fragments.
After this, bullet-proof vests were developed from different kinds of cloth.
>> No. 10285 ID: 00a13e
File 13965568291.jpg - (46.97KB , 638x520 , UK WW1 troops in body armor and a captured armored.jpg )
10285
UK WW1 troops in body armor and a captured armored Maxim machine-gun.
>> No. 10286 ID: 00a13e
File 139655754648.png - (283.66KB , 701x544 , US WW1 armor circa 1918 1.png )
10286
World War One US body armor, circa 1918.
The Experimental Light Body Armor 1917-1918 was developed by the US Ordinance Department. The adjustable steel plates were held together with leather straps, and had a one-inch thick rubber sponge backing. The .04 to .036 inch-thick manganese-alloy plate was proof against pistol rounds and shrapnel, and potentially rifle fire at extreme ranges. The weight of breastplate and backplate combined was 8-1/2 pounds. The arm-guards weighed 2-1/4 pounds each. The Experimental Helmet No. 5, which was intended to combine the best protection of German type helmets with the ease of production British type helmets held, was 2-1/3 pounds in weight. None of these pieces would enter general service before the war's end.
>> No. 10287 ID: 00a13e
File 139655803112.jpg - (1.12MB , 4000x2660 , Italian WW1 armor, Farina tre sassi museum.jpg )
10287
Italian WW1 armor, Farina tre sassi museum.
>> No. 10288 ID: 00a13e
File 139655804778.jpg - (56.35KB , 413x559 , UK WW1 armor EOB layers of compressed silk within .jpg )
10288
The ‘EOB’ armour was designed by the Munitions Inventions Board, worn with a protective collar, made of layers of compressed silk padded within canvas. Weighing in at 9 ½ pounds, the system would stop pistol rounds, shrapnel and grenades.
>> No. 10289 ID: 00a13e
File 139655806276.jpg - (52.02KB , 393x640 , UK WW1 armor metal plates 1.jpg )
10289
>> No. 10290 ID: 00a13e
File 139655837970.jpg - (72.28KB , 461x445 , US ww1 armor chrome nickel steel Brewster Body Shi.jpg )
10290
>>10242
Armor more resembles the US Brewster Body Shield of 1917.
The Brewster Body Shield or Brewster Body Armor was the first effective body armor developed for the United States Army in World War I, designed by Dr. Guy Otis Brewster from Dover, New Jersey.

During World War I, the United States developed several types of body armor, including the chrome nickel steel Brewster Body Shield, which consisted of a breastplate and a headpiece and could withstand Lewis Gun bullets at 2,700 ft/s (820 m/s), but was clumsy and heavy at 40 lb (18 kg). A scaled waistcoat of overlapping steel scales fixed to a leather lining was also designed; this armor weighed 11 lb (5.0 kg), fit close to the body, and was considered more comfortable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster_Body_Shield
>> No. 10291 ID: 00a13e
File 139655866542.jpg - (43.42KB , 450x350 , US ww1 armor Brewster Body Shield 40 lbs 2.jpg )
10291
>> No. 10292 ID: 00a13e
File 13965587091.jpg - (47.35KB , 500x375 , CC armor cuirass, did not prove cannon-proof 1.jpg )
10292
This old cuirass did not prove cannon-proof.
>> No. 10293 ID: 00a13e
File 139655875453.jpg - (37.13KB , 515x650 , CC armor cuirass, French, did not prove bullet-pro.jpg )
10293
Same with this French cuirass at Waterloo, 1815.
>> No. 10296 ID: 95dca1
>>10290
>wearing 40 pounds of armor in WW1
>back to wearing 40 pounds of armor now
Funny how things come full circle, isn't it?
>> No. 10298 ID: 00a13e
File 139664844182.jpg - (244.26KB , 936x1800 , US armor full body.jpg )
10298
>>10296
Yeah.
>> No. 10299 ID: 00a13e
File 139664889062.jpg - (198.87KB , 902x1190 , US armor IOTV (Improved Outer Tactical Vest) 1.jpg )
10299
Originally the Interceptor Body Armor System weighed 16.4 pounds (7.4 kg), with the vest weighing 8.4 pounds (3.8 kg), and two plate inserts weighing four pounds (1.8 kg) each. This is lighter than the previous Ranger Body Armor fielded in Somalia which weighed 25.1 pounds (11.4 kg).

Due to the increased dangers of improvised explosive devices, a newer version of the vital plates and components have been developed. The Enhanced Small Arms Protective Inserts (ESAPIs) and Enhanced Side Ballistic Inserts (ESBIs) have become available, along with the Deltoid and Axillary Protector System (DAPS). These new systems are becoming the standard for forward deployed troops. The E-SAPI plates offer increased protection from 7.62mm armor piercing ammunition. The ESBIs is an attachable MOLLE ballistic panel with a pouch for a 8x6 side-SAPI, for protection of the side of the torso/under the arm. DAPS consists of two ambidextrous modular components, the Deltoid (upper arm) Protector and the Axillary (under arm) Protector, and provide for additional protection from fragmentary and projectiles to the upper arm and underarm areas. With the Interceptor body armor, E-SAPI plates (10.9 pounds), ESBIs (7.75 pounds), DAPS (5.03 pounds) and with the neck, throat and groin protectors installed the armor is significantly heavier at 33.1 pounds (15 kg). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interceptor_body_armor

- US IOTV (Improved Outer Tactical Vest).
>> No. 10301 ID: 00a13e
File 139667010768.jpg - (826.31KB , 1728x2573 , US armor IOTV (Improved Outer Tactical Vest) in Ir.jpg )
10301
US IOTV (Improved Outer Tactical Vest) armor in Iraq 2008.
>> No. 10302 ID: 00a13e
File 139667017753.jpg - (1.56MB , 2808x3560 , US armor Interceptor IOTV vest with deltoid protec.jpg )
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US Interceptor IOTV armor vest with deltoid protectors.
>> No. 10303 ID: 00a13e
File 139667033056.jpg - (135.17KB , 930x1190 , US armor IOTV with DAPS Deltoid Auxiliary Protecto.jpg )
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US IOTV armor with DAPS - Deltoid Auxiliary Protector System (or shoulder and upper arm guard).
>> No. 10304 ID: 00a13e
File 139667042086.jpg - (295.10KB , 950x1742 , US armor full body 2.jpg )
10304
>>10298
Anyone know what experimental armor system this is?
Full arm and leg Interceptor?
>> No. 10305 ID: 00a13e
File 139667045243.jpg - (3.25MB , 2741x3162 , US armor Interceptor w multicam 1.jpg )
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>> No. 10306 ID: 00a13e
File 139667084786.jpg - (249.43KB , 1575x2000 , US armor flak jacket 105 pounds B-29 pilot, Korean.jpg )
10306
CLAD IN HIS ARMOR. Normally a good-sized man, Captain Melvin E. Jarvis, 1318 Roberta Street, Salt Lake City, Utah, pilot of a B-29 "Superfort" of the 307th Bomb Group, based on Okinawa, looks gigantic after donning over 105 pounds of flight gear necessary for combat missions. Captain Jarvis is shown at the controls of his B-29 just prior to take-off on a mission on Communist positions in North Korea.
>> No. 10307 ID: 00a13e
File 139667212752.jpg - (375.21KB , 1504x980 , US armor EOD bomb suit 1.jpg )
10307
And then there's EOD bomb suits.
>> No. 10308 ID: 00a13e
File 139667216272.jpg - (1.39MB , 1500x2100 , US armor EOD bomb suit in Afghanistan 2011 1.jpg )
10308
U.S. Air Force Staff Sgt. James Weber (right), an explosive ordnance disposal technician with the 11th Civil Engineer Squadron, assists Staff Sgt. Amber Goedde, an EOD technician with the 23rd Civil Engineer Squadron, in donning a bomb suit at Forward Operating Base Azizullah, Afghanistan, on May 6, 2011.
>> No. 10309 ID: 00a13e
File 139667228419.jpg - (840.42KB , 2667x4000 , US armor EOD bomb suit 2.jpg )
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>> No. 10313 ID: 1ebd1e
File 139674420975.jpg - (74.83KB , 419x394 , Afgan212.jpg )
10313
BZh-1 soviet body armour for helicopter pilots.
>> No. 10314 ID: d5be46
>>10304
>English: Aberdeen, Md. (April 25, 2005) - Sgt. 1st Class James Burcham assigned to the 16th Ordnance Battalion tests new flexible arm and leg protective armor at the Army Research Laboratory's (ARL) mobility/portability course at Aberdeen Proving Ground in Aberdeen, Md. The Office of Naval Research (ONR) and researchers from the Naval Research Laboratory (NRL) developed the armor for use by Marines and soldiers to reduce the likelihood of severe injuries by protecting against the large number of smaller blast fragments generated by blast weapons and improvise explosive devices (IEDs).
>U.S. Navy photo by John F. Williams (RELEASED)

>Date 25 April 2005
>> No. 10343 ID: 8175c6
>>10307
Called the EOD 9 suit. $27k for the suit and $19k for the helmet.
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