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9915 No. 9915 ID: 2a4d7f watch
A couple of weeks ago, I posted a guide on how to convert a Saiga. Serv benevolently decided to move it to the archive. Serv also somehow managed to lose every post but the first, rendering the guide kaput. I asked him on IRC what to do, and he said to re-dump it in /k/ for him (it was originally in /st/). So here we are. Eighty or so posts will follow. This is good, because after a few test firings, I found it necessary to re-work two of my steps. I would have had to re-do the whole guide anyway, so no harm no foul. Here we go:

I finished converting a Saiga. I thought I’d put all my work together for you guys, as a guide. Let’s start with some background information:

I never intended to convert my Saiga. I bought it, because I had been looking for a traditional grip semi-automatic rifle in .223 that wasn’t a Ruger or Kel Tec. I bought the Saiga online, because the price ($425 shipped & transfer fee) was win, the model for sale had magazine dimples, I couldn’t find the model I wanted in my area, and most importantly, they have a great reputation for accuracy, fun, and durability.

The problem was how it handled. I bought a model with a 20.5 inch barrel, since this was to be a paper/squirrel puncher, but the balance of the rifle was akin to a club. Completely front heavy. In addition, the sights were four inches further from my eyes because of the traditional style stock, making it hard to get a good sight picture. I also noticed on my first range trip that the rifle shot two feet off at fifty yards, and at 100 yards I couldn’t hit the paper. I learned a hard lesson in why you should buy an AK in person: Canted sights. Later, you’ll see just how canted they were.

I decided to convert it as part necessity and part fun summer project. It took me about three weeks working on it here and there; if I do it again I can cut that time way down with what I learned doing this one. If you undertake this, know this: No two Saigas seem to be the same. Some have different receivers, and some different barrel diameters. It seems some are made from old Bulgarian .223 patterns, some from new Russian patterns, and some are a Frankenstein mix of the two. The latter was my rifle.

This guy’s conversion guide http://www.cross-conn.com/Saiga_Conversion/ is an excellent starting point, and shows how to do a basic conversion perfectly. If you want to do the front end without a pneumatic press (and $200-$300 extra), that’s where my guide will come in handy. The saiga12 forums were my go-to for oddball questions I had, and I found this http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=26419 , a list of diameters for when you order parts- very helpful. The rest of my knowledge came from some googling, and a ton of ingenuity was required as well.

For parts, I used Dinzag for a hard to find gas tube and receiver plugs, k-var for my sling, trigger group, swivels and magazines, and Apex for the rest. The stock was a used American copy of the Bulgarian AK74 style a friend of mine had. So…. here goes. Enjoy.
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No. 9988 ID: 2a4d7f
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I don’t want to claim it’s god tier MOA or anything, but the groups I shoot with this are as good as the ones I shoot with my Marlin model 60. I’ve been thinking about scoping it to see what it’s capable of, maybe it’s my new alternate for groundhogs.
No. 9989 ID: 2a4d7f
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I’m pretty happy with it, ya know?
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No. 9992 ID: 2a4d7f
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Thanks for reading. Given the amount of knowledge this community has given me over the last few years, I felt like giving something significant back. Selah, my friends.
No. 9993 ID: fc8e58
Don't have a Saiga, but well done anyhow, bru. Req. immediate archival.
No. 9994 ID: 2429f8
Leaves you with a pretty unique AK in the end, nice work. Sexy wood is sexy :3
No. 9995 ID: 48dd5e
Why is the first post of this also at >>/arch/9835 , anyway? Regardless, certainly gonna have to read through this some time I'm less tires.
No. 9996 ID: 48dd5e
>>135154
>tired
No. 9997 ID: 7af9dc
>>135154

>>135012
>Serv also somehow managed to lose every post but the first, rendering the guide kaput.
No. 9999 ID: f94dbf
What's with the knife? For scale?
No. 10000 ID: 7af9dc
>>135485
Field expedient bayonet.
No. 10001 ID: facc93
>>135486
Just add duct tape! :D
No. 10002 ID: 2a4d7f
>>135485

Sometimes a knife is just a knife.
No. 10003 ID: 1dea8e
Bump for the gent on page 1 who wants to convert his Saiga....
No. 10004 ID: 30296b
So should I go with a quad rail, or should I go with the actual ak hand guards? And which is sexier, the krinkov muzzle brake or the ak 74 brake?
No. 10005 ID: 2a4d7f
>>137197

Consider if you like a long or close eye relief scope best, and go from there. The Russian side rail works as well as any handguard rail for a scope, so there's no difference in reliability.

Keep in mind what a front end conversion requires. Either you:

-do what I did, in which case I wouldn't go with a quad rail, because your custom retainer might not keep your handguard solid enough to mount a scope and keep zero (my first one did not, my current one would)

-buy the retainer from dinzag, and these look pretty solid, ($100 though) or

-you have a gunsmith press off your FSB and gas block, and drill your barrel for a handguard retainer channel. This is expensive. The plus side is you can have him put a new FSB (threaded you can find them for $25 if you look hard enough) and gas block on at the same time.

Shit, go with what you want. The only considerations are which kind of optics you plan on mounting, and what aesthetically pleases you.

As for the muzzle break, don't get the AK74 "Style" muzzle break. Get a FSB with 22mm threads and buy an actual 74 break- the fakes don't actually do anything but add weight to your front end, giving you the impression it's reducing your recoil. The 74's, in my opinion, are much better looking (although they would make my 20.5" barrel entirely too long, hence I have none).

It's all a matter of what YOU want.
No. 10006 ID: 8f0e42
credit where credit is due,

thats some shmexy furniture you made bunnyguts
No. 10007 ID: 30296b
>>137418

My folding stock prevents me from using the side rail. Are there any good AK scout mounts for under $75?
No. 10009 ID: 2a4d7f
>>137451

I dunno, most (I think all) of those mounts use the two pin holes that your leaf sights use. I wouldn't really trust them to hold any reliable zero, either. There's just not much for them to hold on to. Dust cover rails are right out. Forget them.

Your best bet is a handguard rail system, it looks like. The problem is, you may not get a reliable one on the cheap. I can tell you my retainer above is holding quite nicely, and hasn't budged in 300 rounds, or under any sort of shake n' rattle stress testing I put it through.

If you're mechanically inclined, and short on cash, I'd go with that and a handguard rail. If you're not too short on cash, Dinag's bolt on retainer will do nicely for you- but that's $100 just for the retainer. You might be up to $150-$200 for your new front end that way.

If you're not short on cash, and not mechanically inclined, buy the handguard rail you want, a new retainer ($15 at Apex) and take it to a gunsmith. You could throw in a cheap threaded FSB while you're at it. This is not cheap, but probably the best bang-for-buck option.

If all these options are out, you may be back to the non-traditional handguards , such as the Intrafuse rail systems, that require no modification. I don't have a lot of info on those, they may be a crapshoot. Trusting my scope mount to one screw- the Saiga handguards are held in only by the one under the receiver- seems shady to me.

Head over to Saiga12 forums to see what others have done. You have lots of options, it will all come down to cost vs reliability.
No. 10010 ID: 2a4d7f
>>137421

Thank you. I think so too.
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>>137451
>Are there any good AK scout mounts for under $75?

Save up another 25 bucks and get yourself an ultimak gas tube rail.
No. 10012 ID: 9b4f2a
>>135100

I just cant get over that wood's finish , man it really is some grade A quality woodworking. Hell its all very very nice.

I might be jealous.
No. 10013 ID: 9ddf4d
>>137497
It's nothing to do with woodworking, fag. It's been coated with a black substance at some point, looks like spraypaint, and what you're seeing is the result of wear to the finish. I'm betting underneath it's stock standard slav laminate.
No. 10014 ID: 9b4f2a
>>137500

its ebony wood stain you stupid bastard
learn to read you hostess twinkie mother fucker
No. 10015 ID: 18703f
>>137503

I love you.
No. 10016 ID: 788394
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10016
All i need now are some binding posts to plug the holes in the receiver and a tromix trigger guard.
No. 10018 ID: 2a4d7f
>>137497

...and thank you, too.

>>137500

lol anonymous expertise.
No. 10019 ID: 2a4d7f
>>137576

>>137576

http://www.dinzagarms.com/misc_parts/aknyhp.html

Work much better than binding posts, and this way you don't have to cut your stock to fit in the receiver. They look seamless, too.

Is that a Saiga 12? I can't figure out why your trigger guard plate is half the size of mine.
No. 10020 ID: 788394
>>137652
It is a Saiga 12.
I just finished painting the bottom of the reciever a few hours ago, and the parts for the conversion are coming in the mail soon.
No. 10021 ID: 2a4d7f
>>137656

Awesome. Be sure to post pics when you're done.

It was a blast converting it, wasn't it? I'm thinking of picking up a .308 Saiga just so I can do this again. Shit, if Izhmash doesn't fold, after the wife and I buy a house maybe I'll grab an FFL, do a few a year, and sell them. I just flat out enjoyed working on this rifle.
No. 10022 ID: e99b77
Did Serv ever archive this new thread?
No. 10023 ID: 8d7107
>>135016

I did a bunch of my furniture in that color. I've thought about doing a rifle in that color, but all my rifles are slavshit, so I always use a reddish stain instead.

Looks nice though.
No. 10024 ID: 7af9dc
ARCHIVE THIS
No. 10025 ID: a100f1
Wow, man. Just wow.
No. 10026 ID: 2a4d7f
>>139851

I think the archive feature is broken. That's why my original post lost all its replies when it was moved.

>>140101
>>139099

Thanks guys.
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This new host is made of hurrrrrr.

http://www.mediafire.com/?zyiy1iwmmnw

Thread archived here. All pics are in the html folder under "Big."
No. 10028 ID: 2a4d7f
>>141545

Well, if we move hosts and the thread gets fucked again, I've got the text and pictures saved and ready to repost.

I do appreciate the attempts and the .rar, though.
No. 10029 ID: 788394
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10029
finally I found this thread again. I got most of my parts but I still need the trigger guard.
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my parts came today. now all I need is a magpul AFG.
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No. 10032 ID: be4bd8
>>144198

Am I the only one who doesn't like the extreme length of the saiga 12 gauge magazines?

For my part, 12 gauge goes in tubes though.
No. 10035 ID: 2a4d7f
>>144199
>>144198

You, sir, own one fine looking shotgun.

And you saved the BHO device! It makes me happy to see that. It's just lazy to leave it out, and it's useful to boot.

Hope I was able to help some. Did you end up using posts or receiver plugs to fill the old trigger & lever-thingy pin holes?
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>>144212
I used the plastic plugs, and the BHO spring was a pain in the ass to put in. I tried the floss but it kept breaking. Also I put the hammer spring in backwards, so I had to completely start over.
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>>144204
the 8 round mags are about the same size as an AK mag.
No. 10038 ID: 2a4d7f
>>144219

I did that too.

I also paid no attention to how I took the FCG out, and spent an hour trying to remember the correct order to finagle it back in.

You may want to heat a knife/flat piece of metal and melt the receiver plugs on the inside to get a better seal with the receiver. Mine never worked loose, but they just seemed like they might pop out under stress.
No. 10039 ID: 2a4d7f
Don't mind me, just rescuing my thread from oblivion in the vain hope that someone will figure out how to archive it.
No. 10040 ID: 2a4d7f
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No. 10041 ID: b5fa72
Badaba-bamp

We need this archived. Why is it not archived?
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